The training needed for a Hulk only needs a few extra days after one has trained for a Covetor. People think of it as a major gain when they can get from a T1 ship into a T2 ship with such a short amount of training and it becomes one of the major incentives for doing it. The Hulk not only mines a little better, but it can be rigged and fitted to hold a significantly larger amount of ore then the Covetor. It means one can stay longer in the belt and also longer away from the keyboard.

Whatever funny opinion you have on the miners do you also need to admit that the Hulk with its 35 PG and the cost of currently 300m ISK is funnier than those who choose to fly it.

I'm sure combat ships would never do this... Level 4 drone boats must not count because combat is waaaayyyy coolllah than mining.

I have to completely agree with this statment, their is no reason to buy or use a hulk anymore, not while CCP allows highsec ganking with a destroyer. You arent as effecient but your risk vs reward is much more reasonable.

The simplest solution to the problem is give barges an increase in hull to be simalar to a Battleship, my reasons for this is because heavy equipment such as mining equipment should be built on a strong hull. This would prevent sucide ganking of hulks with anything short of a battleship, seems like a more reasonable risk vs reward to me.

The only people that this change would affect are low life gankers in destroyers. You can still gank hulks but not with a sub 1m isk destoryer, also these ships will exploded just the same in lowsec and null sec, you will just need to bring some extra dps. This change also provides plays with the chance to defend miners because they wouldnt pop instantly.

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Wow. Five posts in a row to call out "hulk tears." Who's the one crying?

It's a gaussian curve.

many players fall inside a 2-3 accounts each bell, many only have 1, few have above 4.

Depending on how many catalysts an Hulk can survive, this quickly weeds out the statistical amount of players with enough accounts to gank the ship.

Because the opposite is also true: huge majority of suicide gankers are also 1 men solo tards so they won't go beyond their max number of concurrent connections to kill stuff.

I fly Hulks to maximize my yield...and I fit them that way too. Sure I have a shield tank fitted, but no low slot tank modules or rigs.

To me, that's the entire point of a Hulk...yield.

Ganking is a side issue, and while annoying, it can be avoided to some extent by paying attention. If somebody is determined to gank you, they can no matter how much you tank the damned things, so why not go for yield, and then chose locations and times more carefully?

Now granted, I wouldn't say no to buffs for my Hulks, if they came along. But I'd still take a yield buff over a tank buff if I had a choice, because mining is pretty mindless, so I'd like to be able to gather as much ore as possible in the times I have to mine...and you'd really have to buff the Hulk an awful lot to make it financially prohibitive to gank....and many gankers say tears are "priceless" anyways. Kinda hard to argue with that kind of logic.

Did the evil bunny hit you on the nose? So bitter!

I did not even talk about buffing or nerfing, just about the effects that rising or lowering the tank would have versus the statistical average of gankers accounts.
That's it. If you read more than the end of the bottle, then you smack your nose in the glass bottom.

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no buff needed

how do you mine AFK in a hulk...if your AFK the hold is full before the 2nd or 3rd cycle (assuming you fit a tank like every one is suggesting.

That gives you want 6 minutes before you need to either dock to empty or you have to create a jet can or move the ore to an orca or other suitable conntainer.

That does not seem very AFK to me since you have to pay attention every 6 minutes. Unless your talking about a bot that does all that for you but that is a whole different story there.

You want to know the AFK miners, go find the industrials sitting in a belt in 0.9 space with that one mining laser mining whatever rock they are parked next to for an hour or more between having to find another rock...That is AFK mining. not the 6 minutes you get from a hulk.

think about it a second. 8000 m3 cargo before expanders added. The three strip miners combined (even tech 1) pull atleast 4500 m3 of ore per three minute cycle. so yeah strip miners is not AFK mining. It may be Low attention mining but not AFK.

And how much ore you think he generates by being at the keyboard for those full 6-minutes, none.
Only thing you get from watching is to see your d-scan and strip miners slowly filling up, hardly an exiting sight.
I rather do incursions equally afk but 10x times more ISK with 10x less effort and no one will ever try ganking you.